CHANDIGARH, May 15 -- With nearly 20 months as the Punjab governor, Gulab Chand Kataria has made a mark with his on-ground anti-drug campaign, notably in the worst-affected border districts. In an interview with HT, Kataria, 81, spoke on a range of issues including the drug menace, law and order in the border state, and the anti-conversion and anti-sacrilege laws. Edited excerpts: When I first toured five border districts, women stood with folded hands and tears in their eyes, telling me, 'Governor sahab, we can survive in poverty but please save our children from drugs.' Their plea gave me a first-hand reality check. Back in Chandigarh, I asked university vice-chancellors and religious leaders how we can work together to build a public-led campaign. This menace warrants a joint response from all sections of society; law alone cannot fight it. "Bahut bhayanak hai (It's a dire situation)." Narcotics are coming from Pakistan via drones. We countered the large drones, but now small, silent, invisible ones are being used. At our request, the Centre installed anti-drone systems, and the Punjab government spent Rs.10 crore on technology, but success is limited because the border is 553-km long. Village-level committees have been set up for intelligence. A sustained public-led effort is the only antidote. While Radha Soami chief Baba Gurinder Singh Dhillon has played a stellar role, the number of religious leaders I expected to join hasn't yet. People tried to give this a political colour, but I have no political motive in my outreach. Definitely, the state government is doing its best and has tightened legal action. In no other state have 63,000 people been arrested in a year; properties have been demolished and narcotics seized. During my rural tours, people said drugs are no longer as freely available. If educational institutions ensure drug-free campuses, the impact will be visible in five years. People must create their own movement. It is not satisfactory. Contract killings, gang wars, bomb blasts, and extortion happen almost daily. This has led to an atmosphere of fear: 'Dar ka mahaul hai.' Even Chandigarh has seen broad daylight murders and a bomb blast at the BJP office, prompting us to increase security. I've spoken to him (Mann) and the DGP (Gaurav Yadav). They cite the number of cases solved, but human rights bodies hinder all-out action against criminals. Police seem wary of litigation. Our police haven't succeeded in action against criminals the way the Uttar Pradesh Police have. No political party should stoop so low to say things that are not in the national interest. People resort to the blame game to deflect accountability. Law and order should not be a political issue. Punjab is a sensitive border state; all parties must rise above narrow interests to preserve the hard-earned peace which is the foundation of progress. I went by the spirit and intent behind the law. I counselled the state government that a similar law needs to be framed to safeguard the sentiments of other religions to raise public satisfaction. Definitely, it is a cause of big worry. If religious conversions threatens a change in demography, it can be a danger to the nation. The state government should think seriously about bringing a law against religious conversions which exploit economic or social vulnerabilities. I'm a votary of consultation. When I don't agree with him, I call him and we sit together. Most problems involve the appointment of vice-chancellors or specific Bills. On some issues, he may think of my BJP background, but I view matters through what is legally right, not through politics. When you work with a spirit of accommodation, there is less chance of confrontation. In my 45 years of public life, it is my nature to do what is in public interest....